I know there are a number of Muslim comedians both in Australia and around the world. Good luck to them because if ever a religion needed to poke a bit of fun at itself, Islam is it.
Any Muslim humorist has his or her work cut out. At a scriptural level there are numerous forbidding entries regarding laughter in the Koran and associated texts.
The Hadith says, “Do not laugh too much, for laughing too much deadens the heart.”
Potentially this means any Muslim who uses the laugh out loud acronym is looking at an apostasy charge and in grimmer corners of Islam like Saudi Arabia this has probably already happened.
The Hadith also puts the brakes on satire, too. “Woe to the one who speaks and tells lies in order to make the people laugh; woe to him, woe to him.”
Iran’s mullah, the Shi’ite cleric Ayatollah Khomeini said Islam was a joke free religion. There was not a laugh to be had according to Khomeini. One look at that grizzled visage and you just knew he hadn’t cracked it for a giggle in a very long time, if at all.
Full column here.
Dismayed says:
February 19, 2017 at 12:17 pm
“One thing for sure JTI’s look at this religion highlights here and certainly on the other side just how insular and intolerant many Australians are. Always ready to judge others and their beliefs but seemingly unwilling to address their own hypocrisy and parochial provincial views.”
You are probably right on that score Dismayed. We’re all in the same boat mate. You might even recognise a few of your own “intolerant” judgements when you were on fire quite recently. Have a read:
• “You better get back in the box and start praying or absolving yourself or whatever it is that goes on in those dark little cupboards.”
• “All you have is bile and bullshit. You are from a bygone era and have antiquated view of the world.”
• “Is your answer something to do with your breeding.”
• “You are an appalling creature. Anyone like you who thinks their breeding is superior to others is sick.”
• “You are a fraud. Move along fraud.”
• “You again prove you are an appalling creature.”
• “You are an angry old fool.”
• “You are fraud and a hypocrite. No graphics needed to see that.”
And then, some of us even attempt to slither out from under and vainly justify our parochialism. I suppose praying for guidance is out of the question mate.
I stand by my comments. They reflect the facts. Weak effort . Picking things out of context and not putting in what I was replying to. You continue to show our dishonesty.
That of course is Your dishonesty.
Nah, you got almost right first time, in the first person would have been spot on.
As for your likes and dislikes expressed below, tell someone who cares, if you can find such a mythical being.
why do you keep trolling me then lou? oh my.
In or out of context, that is the way you write at times – full of bile.
Do you really thing putting those statements into context would make them any more attractive?
I guess, by your answer you do – that’s really sad.
should be think not thing
In reply to another of your comments that continues to reflect your need to read what you need see into comments. CotC. You choose to absolve yourself of responsibility by whispering to yourself and your make believe fantasy boss. Do not push your delusions onto people who are actually responsible for their actions. You are becoming despairingly dishonest in your need to score your imaginary points against me. I don’t care for your dishonesty your deliberate misrepresentations of comments or your delusions. Do not try to misrepresent this it is very clear. I do not like being misrepresented or judged by people with delusional relationships with fantasy beings.
Dismayed, you say: “I do not like being misrepresented or judged by people with delusional relationships with fantasy beings.”
You’d no doubt be ropeable about the publication and distraibution of all those Harry Potter books.
Never read a bit of fiction yourself then mate?
give it up Carl, ZZZZzzzz
Wraith, may I respectfully suggest a couple of options.
Perhaps you could consider taking your own advice and not read my posts. Or if that’s unbearable, why not check out your local sleep apnea clinic?
Let me know how you go.
Sorry Carl, was hoping to get more for my zero dollar than old farts endlessly sniping . Go on, tell me I’m dreaming.
Great research there Carl! Now if only you could apply yourself so diligently to the study of AGW?
Feed the inner monster and you become the monster.
Go easy old mate. Or as the kids say “chill dude!”
Just back from South Africa – a country I love, and which has so much potential. I have been in and out for 22 years.
One of the enduring facets since my first visit has been the cartoonist Zapiro. A brilliant guy, who is still going to this day. All annuals from 1996 can still be bought in the bookshops – Exclusive Books and CNA.
I have always enjoyed reading collections of the newspaper cartoonists. The first was Len Norris, who wrote in Vancouver in the 50’s and 60’s – my parents, when they lived there bought a collection which I still have. The next was Pickering in the Canberra Times in the 70’s – very funny, but has now turned, to say the least, odd!
I love Leak now – a lot of the readers don’t, but in my view the best in Australia.
However, Zapiro is fantastic, and kicks the butt or any cartoonist out there. I wish I had bought the whole collection when in South Africa – a country I love….
As you say, Trabvitch, a country that had so much hope when apartheid ended and Mandela assumed power.
Sadly it is being brought undone by a corrupt leader this time around.
I have, or had (can’t remember if I loaned them out), 2 Pickering yearbooks, from the salad days of Whitlam, Grassby et al, Trabvitch. I was a youngster living in Canberra at the time and they may have sparked, as well as the times, my interest in politics. And I thought he was good then and now hear that he is beyond the pale, but I haven’t followed his story except being particularly vile towards Julia Gillard.
No idea why I am posting this – could be lack of Lithium or too much alcohol.
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics
The opening quote on that link from Richard Feynman is one of my favourites.
I struggle with the concept of infinity and that quote sort of puts my feelings into words!! His too.
If you like that sort of stuff the book “”Genius – the life and times of Richard Feynman” by Tom Gleick is a good read. Very well written.
Also intriguing is Schrodingers Cat theory – Google one of the utubes on it. Has me completely bamboozled!
Schrodingers Cat! What a fraud. It was never Schrodingers cat.
The Black Cat theory I like.
A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat that isn’t there.
A theologian is a blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat that isn’t there. But he finds the cat anyway.
The trick to understanding anything as complex as quantum physics or as simple as infinity is faith.
Or a very good knowledge of Physics
I said “trick.” as in faith
Can’t argue with that. ……..
You cant, I just did.
BRADMAN:- 2 of the best one day games you will ever see Bald!!
Australia C+ need to learn how to finish, batting and bowling.
This T-20 series is bizarre. The Australian team is a reserves outfit. Let’s see, Warner, Smith, both Marshes, Maxwell, Wade, Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon (for mine) and probably Khawaja would be ahead of the XI who played at Geelong yesterday. Good development for the guys playing around Langer, Ponting and Gillespie but really this is an Australia A side. I see Smith has been appointed captain of Pune in the IPL ahead of MS Dhoni who has been demoted to making up the numbers. Starc knocked back a reported million dollar fee by staying away from the IPL this year. The auction has just been held. Results here:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2017/content/story/1083407.html
First Test 11 guesses? Warner, Marsh, Smith, Handscombe, Maxwell, M. Marsh, “Sigh” Wade, Starc, O’Keefe, Hazelwood Lyon. Wishful thinking I know but best 11 of the squad for the conditions.
Oh Marsh gets the nod ahead of Khawaja only because it appears Hohns is in charge over there. So no doubt it will be very strange side and probably lacking a bowling option as Hohns selected sides generally do.
I think if they win a Test in the series they’ve done well. They could win it of course but the odds are India win the series comfortably. No Khawaja or Renshaw? One of them will play but not both. Maxwell won’t play. Warner, Usman, S Marsh, Smith, Handscombe, M Marsh, Wade, Stark, SOK, Hazkewood, Lyon.
It just seems Khawaja is being pushed aside again. I would be happy to see Usman open permanently I think he is suited to that role especially over there, he might even get 2 overs of seam before the spinners come on. I just think Maxi can be the X factor needed over there. I know he is not in favour but why take him if not to use him? 3 quicks and 3 spinners is what I would prefer. The boys may be looking at 150 overs in the field more than once if Kohli continues as he has. Marsh may score runs initially he generally does first game back which is usually all he gets through. But he will break down again, usually his second day in the field in a row. I still think Renshaw’s footwork is a big issue. I am sure he has been working on it. I read he wants to sweep. But I hope he does not only try and sweep. Kohli should be swabbed along with Ashwin.
JtI – Well I for one hope Renshaw gets a gig. and Khawaja (though I thought he was injured?).
And of course we will win the series. If the Donald can do it so can we battling Aussies. Straya!
Kohli is a great player. Pity he’s such a prick.
I wonder if ‘The Indian Cricketer’ will show up here?
John O’Hagan says:
February 18, 2017 at 11:40 am
On the Christian tradition of not paying interest.
True.
The Jews had no such reservations and the repercussions reverberated through the next 400 years.
Ezekial 18:13
Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
Ezekial! Mad, the bastard was mad!.
‘Ezekiel’ thanks.
Penny. says:
February 19, 2017 at 10:58 am
I have no issues with you about the Catholic Church and misogyny. That bunch of old men in Rome who have a very inflated opinion of their influence on the planet are off the scale in that respect.
Yassmin is undoubtedly a very smart and astute lady who is milking her attributes extremely well. By intellectual capacity, I inferred the ability to look past the grooming of youth and see it as it really is. Some of the smartest (by IQ levels) I know would have to be the dumbest in that respect.
Why do I worry?
Islam is the only religion on the planet that gives carte blanche to the crazies of that religion to kill me. In the past it has not been a problem. However, the Government of the day is now spending a bucket load of taxpayer’s money to keep tabs on said crazies. That makes it my problem. The cause of the problem is a minority who refuse to assimilate, send their kids off to closed schools ( shades of the Catholic education system last century) and wonder why some come out of the system radicalised. If they cannot fix the situation, somebody else will!
As to the comparisons with the Catholic Church.
We can thank a guy called Martin Luther and a few powerful German Princes. Otherwise Christianity would be no different than Islam. One only has to look at the Sunni -Shiite schism to see what would happen to a Martin Luther. The way the Koran is written it is virtually impossible to modernise as any change marks you as an apostate. Meanwhile our Saudi friends keep exporting their virulent form of Islam – Wahhabism – to countries like Malaysia and Indonesia.
Tie in the long term aims of the Muslim Brotherhood with the above and one would have to be a fool not to worry.
so if richo is right, and he often is, and federal labor is joining WA labor in walking back from the 50% renewables target, what will our barrackers say next.
RE: Boadicea says:
February 19, 2017 at 10:41 am
Boadicea,
I notice that so many here have latched onto the ‘death & dying’ issue.
A good proportion of my professional observation did relate to this but a significant part was to do with ‘tragedy & trauma’ in both body and personal ,short of death.
It is so very hard to ‘comprehend’ the reason for such, and I don’t claim to have the answer, when your whole world stands in turmoil.
Indeed there is the inevitable subject for debate around the comment or accusation, said quietly or in rage, “… how could your God let this happen….”?
Inside this question is a veritable library or lifetime of intellectual effort; so much of which has to do with your personal view of ‘Your God’ is he omnipotent and / or has he granted ‘free-will and choice’?
I must say that I notice so much of the critical comment here, from those who I assume do not believe and do not attend religious devotion to be doctrinaire and arcane and bears little resemblance to the practices and intellectual deliberations of the Congregations to which I have been associated.
But having been associated through professional circumstances and not so much by personal choice, with the requirement to offer assistance and some degree of comfort to those caught in tragedy and trauma; the one thing it requires you to do, before you knock on the door, is to work out your personal beliefs on death, dying, God and all that!!
The best, most credible theory I have heard on the life hereafter, plmo, was that one’s genes are one’s life hereafter. In that they are carried from generation to generation until the line stops, if it does.
I think that one should live the best life one can given one’s circumstances and go to one’s death happy in the knowledge that one has achieved that. – and be at peace with the world.
I cannot think of much worse than to die with deep regrets or at war with family.
Please share some of these “intellectual deliberations” you old devil dodger.
Bloody hell you’re good you blokes. But then you’ve had plenty of time to work on it. The reason people fear death is because the religious con artists have imbued them with the fear of death in order to take advantage of them.
I’ll be frank here, and I don’t expect this will be repeated outside of here , but we at the Sacred Cur , a modest church, do very well out of frightened old people bequeathing great amounts of money to us in the hope they will be spared everlasting terror and pain, and might even meet their ancestors after death.
I acknowledge we owe you clapped out old order organisations a great debt of gratitude for setting the whole scam up for us.
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To steal from Woody Allen, i’m not afraid of dying I just don’t want to be there when it happens.
Dave Allen can thank God he wasn’t born a muslim.
POTUS Donald Trump loves to retreat at weekends to his Mar-A-Lago Resort in warm Florida we read, Mr Insider, and he’s off there this weekend too, the 3rd in a row. I blame it on the Press who just cant seem to get anything Donald tells them right and they instead belt out that “FAKE NEWS” we hear so much about these days, even here in Australia last week when Senator Xenophon “outed” some, in of all places ,The Australian newspaper! But I digress and Mar-A-Lago is a home away from home for Donald as we further read and I quote: “On any given weekend, you might catch President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and top Mideast dealmaker, Jared Kushner, by the beachside soft serve ice cream machine, or his reclusive chief strategist, Stephen Bannon, on the dining patio”. Wow sounds like the place to be away from that stuffy Washington and his “Frenemy” the Press!
http://tinyurl.com/hek879c
One wonders if he gets time to play around down there?
Mmmm Milton while the cats away the mice do play, indeed we wonder?