The Liberal Party broad church is groaning under the strain of ideological and personality conflicts. While a fully blown schism at some point before the next federal election or shortly afterwards is improbable, it remains well within the realms of the possible.
Political parties come and go. Minor parties tear themselves apart on an almost annual basis. The Liberal Party has been a monolith in Australian politics since 1948 but that does not mean it has a guaranteed future. In a sense it is its own worst enemy, a collective gaggle of participants from the Menzian centre to the outer reaches of the spectrum on the right.
These were the conditions found within the Labor Party post-WWII and led to the split of 1954-55, keeping Labor from forming a viable alternative government for nearly two decades.
Prior to World War II conservative parties in Australia came and went, often tearing themselves apart over weaknesses in administration and brawling over policy and ideology.
Full column here.
I feel both sorrow and outrage for the plight of the young Saudi woman who was fleeing to Australia with legit flight tickets and visa but was kidnapped en route, gaffa taped, hog-tied and hauled back to Riyadh to face a very uncertain future at the hands of her hostile family.
You won’t here boo from the feminists on this one I’ll be bound.
That’s “you won’t hear” , but why do you think that?
How far does your sorrow and outrage extend?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225/
Whilst your enquiry appears to be an attempt to dabble in a touch paradigmatic analysis JB, the extent of one’s sorrow or outrage largely depends on one’s baseline mood at any given time and should not be measured by its worth, for then it hath no end.
Suffice to say, and quite by coincidence, I recall the Bard of Avon included something similar in one of his plays. So the pedigree attaching to my response would seem to have sufficient currency as to render it irrefutable one would have thought.
Study literature yourself during your youth me old mate?
Regarding your ‘mintpressnews’ link, it has absolutely nought to do with the subject at hand, and you know it. A bit of introspection on you part in this instance seems eminently warranted.
Forsooth, truly I say unto thee that be the fanciest footwork I ever done seen in avoiding answering a question.
You didn’t sit at the feet of Little Johnny Howard perchance old chap?
Although we may be of similar vintage, with myself having the edge, but I thought JWH was a bungler during his stoush with the Souffle. But he redeemed himself when he gave the “battlers” some hope and encouragement to get off their arses and claim their own prosperity, which many of them did.
Putting that to oneside, I’m not a “bootstrap” person, even though PJK (to his credit) apparently gained much of his political nouse from his time close to the footwear of Jack Lang.
How about yourself JB, do you have a solemate (shod or unshod) that you seek inspiration from?
Jack says:-“If PHON gets five to ten per cent of the federal vote in the next election and this appears likely, that leaves the Liberal Party’s primary vote dangerously low”. BUT…in the Senate nearly 90% of her votes have gone to the Liberals. And they probably always will.
“If Malcolm Turnbull walked into the parliament when sittings resume in May with a same-sex marriage bill under his arm, the Coalition would almost certainly end there and then.” Doubt it. They like the smell of leather and Comm cars to give it all up on this…after all Howard changed the marriage act without a plebiscite. Actually this would enhance his leadership. He needs to stand up to the hard right. They know there is no one else to lead. Dutts would be a disaster…Howard has told the party to govern from the centre. Dutts would take them further to the right and install a Conga line of hard right Ministers.
Turnbull is up against a weak Shorten. With so much ammo to hammer the Libs with, Shorten has been a failure in the area of ‘who is most capable to lead etc’ in Newspoll. If T.Bull took on the Hard Right re climate change, SSM, Negative Gearing etc I believe he would improve his poll position. How could they then sack him? It is a gamble he should take.
In a campaign based on Refugees, Terror (you know, the old scare favourites) I feel Shorten could be beaten with the right attack dog. And yes, these will form the basis of the next election campaign. Labor has nothing to celebrate over the last election. Labor could not beat a govt that tripled the deficit and lied about the effects of the carbon tax. Unemployment, debt, business investment, consumer confidence, wages growth were all worse than under Labor when it had the GFC to contend with. I will never get better than this for Labor yet they still could not win.
I am only guessing all this though.
I think you’re right about SSM. The loopy right can suit themselves but Turnbull would get more votes.
Turnbull doesn’t have to take on the hard right on the other issues, just wink and feed the electorate the usual bullshit on which he has no intention of following through with. Some of the real thickos might need that explaining to them though.
Everything you mentioned Bassy would only attract the Green votes.
Not necessarily so…I read in past years many Labor people wanted to vote for Turnbull but then he made that mad pact with the Hard Right. which turned them orrff.
Bassy……one word……horseshit….
The credibility of a Treasurer under Turnbull has a life of about 6 months.
A dastardly plot to finish off Tony.
You must admit its a clever plot though JackSprat. Turnbull puts the already despised Abbott into a role that rarely if ever produces a champion of the Public and hey presto he’s toast! Keating and Costello the exceptions as they knew what they were doing.
I say JS, Turnbull’s treatment of his ministers is keeping the bus companies in business that’s for sure.
1billion of the money from the below to upgrade stadiums in Western Sydney! Nothing about health. That money would buy a hell of a lot rehab beds for addicts and great mental health services for young people. What a joke. Maybe that’s part of the 1.6b infrastructure spend but I doubt it. It will be on rail and roads………
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/dataroom/nsw-land-registry-sold-to-hastings-first-state-for-26bn/news-story/8e82cfe09c4829ca1a09243cc89900fc
If anything need to stay under government control it is the Land Registry – the data has to be accurately held forever in confidence..
Banks in Victoria have gotten rid of 1.6 million paper land titles
http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/big-four-banks-destroy-16-million-paper-land-titles-in-push-to-digital-versions-20161028-gsdcgn.html
One major computer glitch could see records disappear down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots. People tend only worry about titles when they come to sell their house which could be decades after the glitch or when their house is sold from under them as a result of a bit of hacking fraud. It’s insanity.
The privatization of everything by the Libs is pure dogma and nothing to do with efficiency..
One of the most appalling decisions yet. These people have to learn to balance a budget and do things without selling everything in sight.
Oh my. Really? $1 Billion from the Northern Australian Regional rorts Slush fund could go a long way to providing much needed infrastructure also. The $1 billion from the Northern Australia Regional Rorts Slush fund for the Adani scam will see the cost of each job subsidised to the tune of 3 times more per job than what the Automotive industry was receiving if 20,000 jobs were created as Turnbull has ridiculously claimed. The reality is the 1500 jobs created as stated by Adani’s own expert witness Dr Fahrer will cost taxpayers $600,000 per job. The fact the government is considering giving $1 billion to a very shady some say corrupt company whose structure is almost untraceable is bad enough but Infrastructure Australia cannot scrutinise the rorts from the Slush fund. This is a very bad deal for Australia. The low grade coal will not be used by India. India have also stated they want to stop importing coal in the next 5 years. This disgraceful scam is all about keeping a couple of seats in FN QLD. No Financial institute on the planet wants to touch it but the coalition are throwing taxpayer money at it from the Regional Rort Slush fund. What happened to the budget Emergency?
1./ You always talk about infrastructure well here’s some infrastructure.
2./ It is not low grade coal. Brown coal is low grade coal. It is some of the best coal in the world. That’s why they want it. Did you ever ask the question why go through all this if it is crap coal they can get from anywhere?
3./ India will be importing coal for decades to come.
4./ What do you have against people in the regions? You didn’t bleat when SA got the subs.
5./ Don’t be surprised if Adani put the project together. Get it all ticked off and sell it to someone else. Gina?
People just want to work, look after their families and make sure their kids have work. The average person cannot afford your leftist idealism they are just trying to survive. Must be great to sit in a capital city casting opinions on people you have nothing in common with. What do you call Mr & Mrs average? Pig hunters? Just charming. How often do you get to the public bar of a pub? Lob into one in country Qld one day sprouting your vitriol and see how long you last. I’ll back the pig hunters against your type any day.
Ahh, facts again get in the way of your myopia. Even in this article Canavan is Wrong. The coal would have to be excessively “scrubbed” to be fit for purpose for India’s coal fired generation plants. Their plants are actually newer and better than the highest polluting plants on the planet here in Australia.
I have spent plenty of time in Qld and worked over a lots of it. The last time I was in Roma late last year at the Club having dinner I was getting a lemon squash at the bar and a local slurring and talking from the side of his mouth asked and remember you have to read this r e a l s l o w to ensure you get the speech pattern right “are you a big German (expletive starting with C ending in T)” “Nah mate Australian, my people got here in 1820 not in chains.” “Well is it ok if I call you the big German” (as above). “Whatever you like mate but not sure other people want to hear that sort of language. though”
This Nation can NOT afford to throw money at scam projects just so the LNP can hold onto a couple of FN Qld seats. You are wanting to subsidise jobs to the tune of $600,000 per job even if 3000 jobs were created which is double what Adani’s expert stated it is still $300,000 per job. If the ridiculous figure Turnbull stated yesterday of 20K jobs materialised it would still be over $45,000 per job. Get real man that is not doable especially after your lot ran off the Automotive industry. The environmental damage to an already struggling environment will be catastrophic, look at Abbott Point already covered in water and coal dust after the cyclone. No shit people want to work, a rail line to an environmentally disastrous hole in the ground is not Nation building infrastructure. Better to spend the money raising the roads and rail lines a couple more metres from existing heights to help in flood situations to keep them open, and stop future inundation. It floods up there every 2 years why not build some sort of canal, dam and water transfer network that produces electricity in areas that are known to flood routinely. You know future proof instead of turning back the clock. There are many better way to spend on infrastructure than by subsidising a scam project by a very shady foreign company. You are wrong and refuse to let the Nation move past ” the way we always done it” Your continual Bullshit “left wing, Greenie wank wank comments prove this is not about the National interest but the ideological bullshit of you right wing conservatives. open your FN eyes and look forward instead of living in the past.
The article below is one of many talking about the low grade coal from this scam project. Geez man open eyes.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-03/adani-plans-to-export-low-quality-coal-to-india-report-says/8409742
Dismayed shave off the toothbrush moustache and people will stop thinking you’re German.
Oh and on the subs. I said at the time that the seat of Sturt is probably the most expensive seat bought by the coalition to date. But an island Nation without ship building is dead in the water. We see with your man trump and his warmongering posse we cannot rely on the US we have to be able to do major projects and have technologies for ourselves.
Why go through all this? ? So Adani can screw the taxpayer for years to come in claimed losses or in damages. This is a scam.
Very occasionally I agree with what you write.
My take on “The Loan” is that, if it was approved, it would be used as leverage to get finance for the rest of this insane project.
“hey look banks, the Australian Government thinks this is a goer”
Why on earth one hands over so much resources to an unproven company is beyond me.
Then hand over unlimited water rights to an aquifer.
Contemplate lending them $1 billion for a train line.
etc etc
Good comment Razor. Bread and circuses.
Thanks old bean. Sport is big business JB so why not let them ‘upgrade’ the stadiums.
So while everyone is playing happy families at the footy an addict is breaking into their house and 16yr old next door neighbour Joe has just hung himself from the mulberry tree. Also don’t forget cousin Emma she’s the one we don’t talk about. You know her, she’s the strange one whose really skinny with lots of scars on the insides of her forearms.
I’m over politics at the moment old mate. That announcement was the straw that broke the Camels back for me.
Anyway, like me I doubt you will be enjoying any religious festivities over Easter but hope you remain well.
Cheers,
A very disappointed Razor
Wonderful comment Razor. Tears to my eyes, I’ve known and seen too many great kids shattered and dead in my time.
If we spent half the money we spend on entertainment on education we could educate every child from the crèche to a masters degree free of charge.
Never give up! Fight, it’s important.
Believe it or not JB you can’t do Rupert without perhaps believing certain bits of it……..
And amen to that.
Tracy – have you noticed that the Merry few comp has marked us for the B Dortmund/Monaco game?
Pretty sure they will correct it when the game is eventually played Milt, if they don’t I’ll get in touch.
A “Barry Crocker” from POTUS Trump’s Press Secretary Sean Spicer, Mr Insider. He is a wag and just slipped up here on his history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SsPkzQwn5o
JTI getting picked up all over the place. Was JTI predicting the end of Liberalschism?
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/nothing-doom-coalition/
Macrobusiness is a great read if you like your financial advice from the left. This is the same mob who bagged the hell out of paywalls and then guess what…….behind the wall they went.
They didn’t start out with a political bent but that has sure changed.
Living in an echo chamber makes everyone that holds a different opinion a left wing, progressive what ever it? is to you. You and Malcolm Roberts are doing this nation a disservice.
Coal mad coalition embarrasses itself. No Surprises.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/coal-mad-coalition-embarrasses/
Shane Spicker on Bushy Arsebad. Authentic moron.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-12/spicer-says-even-hitler-didnt-use-chemical-weapons/8435972
If there is still any doubts that lunatics are running the “armed madhouse”……………………*
*Palast.
PS note also John Dean interview.
Part of this is as old as the Liberal party. The “wets” vs. the “dries”. There is also the urban/rural divide, but not as prominent. These are eternal themes. The ousting of Turnbull, and his subsequent white anting only brought it into sharper focus–but also introduced factions built around personalities.
And, we can’t overlook the NSW branch and powerbrokers like Photios, who use the party as a vehicle for personal ambition , while sharing none of its values–a bit like the PM.
The party will survive but will come out of the next election cycle weaker. It might then, get the gut check it needs. What does it believe in? Right now, I can’t tell. It’s a twin of Shorten’s ALP in that regard.
What’s the old saw? If you believe in nothing, you’ll believe anything. The state of our major parties today.
Spot on.