I know there are a number of Muslim comedians both in Australia and around the world. Good luck to them because if ever a religion needed to poke a bit of fun at itself, Islam is it.
Any Muslim humorist has his or her work cut out. At a scriptural level there are numerous forbidding entries regarding laughter in the Koran and associated texts.
The Hadith says, “Do not laugh too much, for laughing too much deadens the heart.”
Potentially this means any Muslim who uses the laugh out loud acronym is looking at an apostasy charge and in grimmer corners of Islam like Saudi Arabia this has probably already happened.
The Hadith also puts the brakes on satire, too. “Woe to the one who speaks and tells lies in order to make the people laugh; woe to him, woe to him.”
Iran’s mullah, the Shi’ite cleric Ayatollah Khomeini said Islam was a joke free religion. There was not a laugh to be had according to Khomeini. One look at that grizzled visage and you just knew he hadn’t cracked it for a giggle in a very long time, if at all.
Full column here.
You know there was this show for a while back, “Shalom Cafe” or something like that. It was supposedly ‘comedy/variety’, and it was woeful. You know, as they were muslims and copping it hard at the time, I was kind of hoping it would be successful, but they were so off the mark on the humour so often, it was hard to watch in the cringe worthy way.
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They tried for a bit, then the last season they got cut and it never aired. Just not a funny bunch I guess. Dour runs deep.
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@ PLMO
Honestly you amaze me sometimes. Especially about atheists. What makes you think that suddenly at deaths door I would start believing all the hocus pocus crap that constitutes religion? Trust me sweet man, I am living on drugs that are keeping me alive, (two years on borrowed time now), Ive been to the place where you think its all going to end, and your god did not get a look in. Its like this, the brainwashing didnt stick, there is no ‘church mob’ in my life, not at all. Nothing. There is no heaven. There are no virgins.
In the end you will get over the pain of the loss of a loved one through death. We all do, no one can mourn forever. It will all be ok. Life goes on.
The simple truth above is the one the churches dont like.
You mortgage your life and get on your knees for the afterlife? On ‘ya, your choice. But just dont arrogantly expect it to be mine.
cheers.
yeah …..cool….2 amens
Jean Baptiste
February 17, 2017 at 7:04 pm
Further to our earlier “slow” v “abrupt” AGW temperature changes exchanges.
When contrasting the “abrupt”present from the “slow” past, you initially posited :
“When changes happen over thousands of years they are said to be slow..”
When challenged, you now postulate:
“At no point did I posit, as you CLAIM that, the current abrupt rise in temperature was divorced from all other abrupt rises in the past.”
I think we should give that rabbit burrow exploration caper a miss JB. At this rate it’d be a struggle for you to find your way up a hollow log, let alone out of it me old mate.
Pay attention. You’re so fixated you probably still cant see it, The Earth has had rapid rises in temperature in the past, all, as is the current one, due to a sudden elevation in C02 levels in the atmosphere.
How on Earth you think you are pointing out a contradiction is beyond my comprehension. As you do habitually possibly unwittingly you are so desperate to discredit and obfuscate you take two separate things and try to make it appear they are in contest.
There have been changes with similar results to what is happening now that took thousands of years, ie slow, in comparison to the changes that happened abruptly. We are having one of those “abrupt” rises in temperature now, the only difference between this one and the abrupt changes in the past, this one is driven mainly by vast amounts of additional C02 in the atmosphere from human activity. The abrupt changes in the past were also driven by sudden increases in C02 but not from human activity.
The fact that other changes in the past took thousands of years for a similar result only indicates that there was not a commensurately sudden dramatic increase in C02. I am simply pointing out the difference.
It’s not an “either/or” or mutually exclusive paradigm Carl.
Now please consider the graphs and tell me if you think it is merely a remarkable coincidence that the graph showing the astonishing rise in C02 emissions from human activity is on the same trajectory as the concentrations of C02 in the atmosphere. I expect more nebulous quibbling but it will enable me to legitimately post more links to the science in my futile attempts to educate you in what is the bleeding obvious.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/climate-change-denial-psychology_us_56438664e4b045bf3ded5ca5
I don’t want your life story, but I do I understand the difficulty you have with this old chap, and I would prefer my guess as to why over your guess. Unfortunately you cant stall this off by mental exertion, AGW isn’t going away.
PS I do admire your haughty superiority.
“The Earth has had rapid rises in temperature in the past, all, as is the current one, due to a sudden elevation in C02 levels in the atmosphere.”
Not quite true but there have been rapid climatic changes that have seen the fall of civilizations within a couple of decades.
The old Greek writers commented on the fact that arable farming land went into disuse within a generation because of changes in climatic conditions.
The Mayan civilization, along with a few others in South America, disappeared because of a thirty year drought.
We have been living under very benign climatic conditions since around 1700.
The natural cycle is about to swing and superimposed upon this is what we have done to the planet – CO2, de-forestation, thousands of square miles under heat absorbing tar, mega cities that just emit heat, etc etc.
If the planet is going into a cooling cycle, as some think, don’t be around when it comes out of it.
Well no. The climate changed locally, not the same thing as a rapid rise in temperature which has the Greenland ice turning into a giant slushie and the thawing of the permafrost. The planet itself, land sea and air is much hotter than at any time in human history.
Genuine question JB.
Before the little ice age, the Norse had a flourishing settlement in Greenland – the place was grassed and grazing was the mainstay. There was extensive trade with Europe,
Then the little ice age came, and the only people who survived were the Inuits who just reverted to their previous life styles.
Do you know what the sea levels were during the benign period. ie pre little ice age?
Jacksprat.
Dredging up some oldies there JS
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-did-not-force-vikings-to-abandon-greenland-in-15th-century-a6761026.html
Cant see what the sea levels then had much to with anything. I doubt there was a great variation.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/2000-years-of-sea-level/
But I included the link anyway because it contains a graph to sea temperature rises which would be more pertinent I would say.
Thanks for the Greenland link.
Looks like the BBC got it wrong.
JOHN the BAPTIST:- You don’t get it. These people who deny climate change don’t WANT to believe in it. No matter what evidence you throw up they will put their politics above the science. I asked a denier once…well what would it take to convince you that the earth is warming at a rate than it never has done before with humans having a massive input? No answer. I got the Tony Abbott dumbfounded reply. Obviously, he did not want to be convinced no matter what was put before him. Then I asked him ….well what if we take action on climate change and we are wrong…well nothing much will happen…I put the converse to him…well what if we don’t take any action on climate change which could lead to long term catastrophe (er our grandchildren)…still no luck. He was more interested in ‘risking it’ and quoting Alan Jones and Bolt.
It is the same with debt. I have an emailer who says the gross Liberal debt of $457 billion is fake and not true. SO….I sent him the link to the Australian Government’s own site where the debt is listed. He STILL says it is not true. I then sent him figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and Treasury on deficits etc. His reply? The figures are made up and Treasury is wrong. I agree Treasury can be wrong on forecasts but not on what has been spent. Now can you see what you are up against? These people won’t even believe the government’s own information sites! The new vernacular they love to embrace is “fake news”. It is a Godsend to them from Trumper…that along with Alternate Facts. It is the denialists reply to everything. An easy way out for them…SO…… as soon as I see an email with “fake” in it I delete it without reading it because I know there will be no cogent argument.
Au contraire BASSMAN. I have no delusions. My efforts are directed at the passerby or casual reader with a brain who might find the links welcome information.
The carping blockhead deniers are just useful props, they are much appreciated for that.
If I converted one of them I would be rigid with shock for a month.
I too noticed the backflips and sundry nonsense, Carl. Old mate, Jean has conceded (not like him) that in the relatively time consuming diary of planet Earth that it has had not only gradual changes, climate wise, but also quick changes. And they before the industrial revolution (Jean’s first entry in his diary). Ice ages and their ilk, forests deforested, dinosaurs (sorry Jean not knocking the family tree) and so on and so on. The atheists have found their new God in man made computer modelling. Acknowledging that weather is different to climate I still have a vague, and innate (vague in there!), belief that one informs the other. As such I find it hard to imagine that genius man can forecast 10/20 etc years into the future when the local weather man has a considerably high success rate of failure of what is going down tomorrow.
The agw mob are disciples and evangelists on a subject they know nothing about. Members of a fashionable, sexy, superior cult that wants to penalise and keep the poor in their place.
A perverse form of capitalism if ever there was one. Capitalism embraces all. We are incapable of thinking outside of capitalism. All theologies, ideologies are imbued with capitalism. The “renewable” mob are the latest manifestation, and gee don’t they have some spruikers. Wind and sun energy will cost more than what’s plentiful underfoot (and a source of revenue)! So we have to pay top dollar for all??!! What capitalist genius greeny thought this up. Probably Malcolm.
How did she get in here? Milton, you’re obsessed!
But now we’re off-topic, my nomination for most humourless politician (plenty to choose from) is Cory Bernardi. I wouldn’t be so undemocratic as to suggest he should be removed for it though.
Oops, sorry Milt that was supposed to be a reply to your Triggs comment!
But while I’m here I may as well point out that you just devoted a paragraph to a subject you admit you know nothing about, and opened the next one by bagging AGW “disciples” for doing the same.
Forget the “disciples”. It’s the scientists. The scientists do know. Or if you doubt that as well, why is it only climate scientists? That plane you got on without the slightest doubt about its ability to fly was designed using quite a bit of computer modelling as well you know.
You still defending Triggs John ?
There’s nothing to defend, she’s done nothing more nor less than her job all along.
Embarrassing governments is an occupational hazard of being a human rights watchdog, and that’s what happened in 2015 with the children in detention report. Triggs has been punished personally and dishonestly by the government and their handmaidens in the media ever since. That’s what’s indefensible IMO.
Because of this relentless campaign, in AWM circles Triggs has become a cypher for all they hate, which is plenty: “political correctness”, “compassionistas”, uppity brown people, pushy faggots, blah, blah, blah; and especially 18C, which in their confused little minds is a mighty sceptre of left-wing oppression wielded personally by Triggs.
In reality, the AHRC can only try to conciliate discrimination complaints and has very limited powers to filter them on merit — in fact Triggs has asked for more powers in this regard. The simple fact is that without the AHRC, every discrimination complaint would go straight to the Federal Court without any filtering or attempts to resolve it. Inconvenient nuances like that seem to elude Triggs’ haters.
Unmitigated tripe John.
Ms Triggs vociferously bragged she was a power above government, and set about creating her own agenda.
The Uni students were left out to dry, to be done over by a rat cunning lawyer representing a vexatious plaintiff. It was never going to end well. More to the point it made a farce of the so called social justice legislation it purported to uphold.
A pox on all their houses. It is time to bring down the platform that allowed this nonsense to proliferate.
You’re never one to understate, are you Lou? I would be interested in a direct quote from Triggs in which she said anything remotely resembling what you just attributed to her. Hint: opinion pieces in NewsCorp papers are not direct quotes.
I would also be interested in your elaboration on which part of my description of AHCR’s legislated powers is “unmitigated tripe”, or failing that, at least a concession that my tripe is mitigated.
Milton, I think you’re onto something. You make some very relevant points. I hadn’t previously fully considered that many of JB and his followers (or is he flowing them) have obviously discarded their previously long held attachments to a deity and they have created a new one all for themselves in the guise of a cloud botherer.
When I get a chance, I’ll definitely have to advise JB to stay well away from Buggs Bunny.
See the link in my reply to Carl. I must assume this post of yours is an attempt at humour or you are hopelessly drunk. Or both.
It’s sickening to realise how determined the “adults” are in their determined denial to look after themselves first.
http://time.com/4567012/federal-government-lawsuit-climate-change/
Just a tad off topic, Mr Insider, but saw this article on Hitler’s Phone going to Auction. Imagine the waffle barked into the handpiece of that poor device but it should fetch quite a large amount just on historical value.
http://tinyurl.com/z5cx4fy
P.S. I do recall Hitler’s Pencil Case was for sale but think that may have been that scallywag Mr Chin on M.A.S.H.
Henry. I have in my possession Hitler’s other telephones. The one he used to talk to Eva and the other he used to communicate with Herman Goering. ‘Telephone to Goering.” They were removed from the bunker by my Uncle Igor Tealeafski , a political commissar with the Soviet Army. They have certificates of authenticity and are of impeccable provenance.
You can have them both for five grand or three grand for either. I don’t care what you do with them, Sothebys would be very keen I should think. Otherwise I will put them up on Gumtree for a lot more than I am asking from a mate.
Best wishes.
Goodness me Mr Baptiste we must make Telephonic contact post haste as your offer almost seems to good to be true. Your humble correspondent, Henry, is a prolific collector of all sorts of things, some even turn out to be genuine! Bless you and thank you kindly great additions to my “Goosestepping Fruitcakes” collection. Cheers . P..S I am talking to someone who has a lock of Donald’s hair for sale $2500 mmmm
Sometimes one can make a motzah breaking up a collection Henry. Establish how many hairs there are in the lock of Trumpie’s hair. You should be able to sell the strands individually for about $450 per unit to passionate Trump collectors.
But I would sit on it for a bit, if the Dallas Solution is deployed you could have your superannuation right there mate.
Been trying to find a link to Margaret Throsby’s interview with Chow Hayes. All must listen to Jack’s interview with Dickie Fidler on Chow…brilliant stuff!
JACK:- you have profiled and wrote books etc on some of our most dangerous villains. How about an interview/book on some of our most dangerous female crims. You mentioned a beauty in your interview.
I am a very serious person don’t laugh much this religion looks made for me. Where do I sign up Jack?
Oh well done Cyril. There is a possibility that when you embrace Islam and all your sins are washed away you might become a jolly person. The unconscious guilt associated with your sins of emission could be the cause of your seriousness. Have a frank and honest discussion with your Imam guide, don’t beat about the bush, at least not in his presence.
http://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Muslim
There is are a couple of articles in Fairfax today saying we should back off and let the moderates practice their religion.
On stoning adulterers.
“While many Muslims today find the practice distasteful, there is simply no arguing that killing grown adults for consensual sex is not firmly rooted in Islamic theology. In fact, according to a recent fatwa, merely denying that is appropriate to stone married adulterers in the modern age is a sign of apostasy.”
It is hard to find a religion that condones this barbaric behaviour amusing.
Some say it is cultural and not in the Koran while others find justification in said literature and traditions.
I do not really care what the justification is but while it is still happening, the full force of world opinion should be bought to bear – however everything is strangely silent.
I think most agree stoning needs to be stamped out along with many other barbaric practices. But I don’t see any evidence of a strange silence, IMO it receives just as much attention as similar issues.
As far as scriptural “justifications” for punishing adultery, it’s pretty easy to check: in Islam, it is 100 lashes in the Quran, but stoning in some of the Hadiths, so it depends who you talk to; in Judaism, it is strangulation, or for some cases, forced swallowing of molten lead; in Christianity, it is just plain vanilla stoning to death. So not much to choose there, they’re all nuts.
J O’H
The difference is that the two of the religions do not practice it – the third practices it.
One can not get past the fact that it is a medieval religion with medieval practices and whose followers in many countries have a medieval mindset.
yes, the proper punishment is a trip to Tiffany and a few hundred lashes of the credit card.
Jack, in Kuwait it’s the Gucci store….
Oh come on John, cut out stoning and a whole scene would have to be cut from A Life Of Brian. It’s essence would be left on the cutting room floor.
As for adultery, might be best to leave the nuts out of it. It is after all as old as the other profession, if maybe not always as lucrative. It all depends on who is screwing who.
Good comment JS
It would seem that Gillian Triggs is a humourless piece of work as well. She should stand down or be sacked.
“Humourless” you say Milton, then perhaps she’d be an ideal candidate to slip on the burka. Provided it’s made from burlap of course.
Milton, I omotted to mention being burkaed is similar to being sacked is it not?
🙂 🙂
When she has committed as many sins and lies as Abbott, Shorten and Turnbull please let me know Bald.
This is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad government.
Now who would sack Ms Triggs Milton? Maybe you meant be given the sack, but as always I am in awe of your devious ways of expression. Word pictures extraordinaire.
Dismayed says:
February 18, 2017 at 11:13 am
“CotC you are very confused.”
Huh? ….. You have great delight in attacking the spiritual belief systems of all and sundry at every opportunity you get. Then you come up with this expectation:
“I expect they will now apologise for attacking every single member of a culture or religion.” Remember that one?
You’re wriggling like a worm on a hook. We all know who’s confused mate.
But we still have a spare spot for you in our hearts.
CotC what is wrong with you. You are almost as dishonest as razor. I was agreeing with JTI that religion has held society back from achieving more. Stop reading what You want to read into comments and just read what is written. You prove the R’s was not able to teach the ability to comprehend.
You have a convenient memory Dismayed, I’ve got to hand it to you
Put simply, on the one hand you unreservedly and unapologetically attack anyone on here who has the slightest whiff of religion, while on the other hand you expect others to apologise for similar behaviour to your own.
Whilst I would’nt accuse you of being dishonest Dismayed, you certainly exhibit the occasional delusory characteristic mate.
The Leak cartoon appended to the article epitomises the lose-lose situation Muslims are in as far as Leak’s AWM target audience is concerned.
Yassmin Abdel-Magied is a smart, modern, moderate, integrated Australian Muslim. She is exactly the kind of person that those concerned about a rise of inward- and backward-looking fundamentalist Islam should be supporting and engaging with. Instead Leak chooses to suggest that she is complicit in barbarism such as stoning, simply because she insists on being Muslim. Nasty, counter-productive, and about as witty as drawing a Hitler moustache on a picture of someone you don’t like. But a big hit with the AWMs, which it seems is all that matters to Leak these days.
Bullshit John
She is sugar coating one of the most mysogmonistic, backward, retarding religions on the planet .
I think she is trying to intellectually justify her adherence to the crap that is part and parcel of that religion.
Our next door neighbors were devout Catholics – when the revelations of kiddie-fiddling started to come out they just ceased going to church.
If the young lady had any intellectual capacity, she would do the same but she is probably well aware of what would happen.
I tend to think the Catholic Church is right up there with being mysogynistic as well as backward JS.
I also think it is arrogant of you to accuse Yassmin of being unintelligent. While I admit that I didn’t and don’t watch Q&A, I’m not sure Jacqui Lambie came out covered in glory either. She clearly has no idea about Sharia Law.
I think JTI’s point about humor in the Muslim religion (there is none) is proving a further point that there is no humor in any religion and further emphasizes the fact that people are taking themselves very seriously in damning Islam, but failing to see the irony of doing so.
If you’re not a Muslim why worry about it? Does the Muslim religion affect you at all? I live in a Muslim country and my life isn’t affected one little bit by it…..well wine is a bit more expensive here than in Australia and I can’t have proper bacon for breakfast at a hotel, but I can eat pork rice every day if I want. There are also days when I would wear a hijab if I could…..beats having a bad hair day.
One of the most popular non-mainstream religions in last year’s census (ignoring all the silly Jedi stuff) was the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. My feeling is that they’re a fun crowd.
JackSprat might have meant emotional intelligence Penny, something Muslims seem to lack. Living in Malaysia or Indonesia for that matter is in no way comparable to Middle East or North African countries as you well know.
MtK…I’ll grant you the emotional intelligence if we’re talking about Kuwait, but I met some incredibly intelligent and globally aware people in both Lebanon and Morocco…
The people I found to be very unaware in all those places though were the Americans
Penny,
Careful with the arrogance accusation, there was nothing in JS’s comments that suggested that.
Know you survive well in Malaysia. I shared a house with two Malaysian guys in my Uni years, one was Muslim and one Cristian. I now which one was easier to get on with.
Back to JS’s comments. I too found the lady’s stance simply incredulous, notwithstanding Jacqui Lambie should be sent to a Muslim country for some education, if happily pay her fare, one way.
So a question for you. Being a champion of individual freedom, would a Muslim country even as benign as Malaysia be your first choice of abode?
Lou oTOD….interesting comment. Before I left Australia, I knew not a lot about the Muslim religion, apart from the fact that I witnessed a man wearing Muslim head gear being horribly verbally abused by a man, simply for trying to park his car in the street and I remember I was quite distressed by it. I don’t need to go into my whole history of moving to various Muslim countries for work, but suffice to say I was interested into learning as much as I could about the religion so that I could at least understand where they were coming from and also put together in my own mind the various complexities of the Middle East and North Africa. I also loved living in Indonesia, a tolerant country despite what you might think.
We choose to live in Malaysia and yes it is my first choice of abode, despite the fact that we now spend 6 months of the year traveling around Australia. There is a lot I love about Australia, but my God there is an ugly side that just keeps on getting uglier. I am less stressed here in Malaysia, I don’t encounter as much intolerance here and of course it’s cheaper. We are fortunate to be able to work wherever we are, but even if we couldn’t I would be loathe to leave here and make Australia my permanent home.
I did reply to this Lou, but maybe it didn’t get through. Malaysia is my first choice of abode actually. Although we now spend six months a year travelling around Australia, I love coming back to Malaysia, less stress, less nanny state rules, the ability to be friends with people of all religions, nationalities and cultures….oh and it’s cheaper.
Catholicism is just one sect of Christianity. Are you suggesting that the whole of Christianity cannot be justified under any circumstances because of pedophilia? Because that is the equivalent argument you are trying to make about Islam.
I’m not defending Islam or any religion, but I am arguing for reason and historical perspective. I’m an atheist and consider all religion to be “retarding” irrationality at best and dangerous at worst. The best you can hope for is that through education and improved living conditions, it will fade into the private realm and do as little harm as possible. But history shows that trying to repress or eradicate it has disastrous consequences, and that’s why I very worried by the current climate of intolerance. Attitudes like the one evident in your comment don’t help.
Tolerance has not worked TV. Time for tough love.
The neighbours saw what had been done within their religion and saw through the subsequent cover ups and voted with their feet.
Muslims can do that but know what could happen as per the Koran.
Must admit I was astonished when she declared that Islam was a feminist religion. Nearly fell off my cloud.
Left me wondering if she actually knew what religion she ascribed to.
Leak’s cartoon was very astute comment.
Islam is not a feminist religion, but can’t see where Christianity is either. It was a bit if a stupid thing for her to say, but if we’re all going to stick up for Jacqui Lambie here, it would not be a bad idea if we all worked out what Sharia Law is before we start banning it (and the burqa) from Australia. Anyone ever thought that between Pauline Hanson and Jacqui Lambie we’re not blessed with terribly intelligent female politicians either…
“Yassmin Abdel-Magied is a smart, modern, moderate, integrated Australian Muslim.” Know her personally do you JOH?
We are talking about the lady who says Islam is a feminist religion yeh? Bleak’s cartoon was satire on that, a women buried up to her neck about to be stoned. I reckon the cartoon was spot on. You seem to be all over Bleak JOH, again. Nasty? Your interpretation JOH, guess you are entitled, not an adjective I’ve heard anyone else use to describe it. Methinks you have a thing about Bleak’s cartoons. Lighten up.
Do you only have opinions about people you know personally? I would suggest that if you’ve never heard anyone describe a Bleak cartoon as nasty, you could consider widening your circle a bit.
If I don’t know them personally I do not give opinions like I do know them personally.
John,
If you are labelling Bill Leak the person, and his cartoons, as nasty than you must dwell in a very small circle, clearly one that goes nowhere.
He might hold a mirror up to the bullshit that traverses modernist thinking, and thank god he does. Some interpretation of what he presents is in itself riseable. He doesn’t leave anything to doubt. There is no hidden meaning.
A template of reaction is found in our own Bassy’ s bleatings, When Bleak is having a go at Turnbull, Joice etc, Bassy cheers him on as the warrior of old. When he has a go at the other side, Bassy loses his else of humour.
Leak never has.
I don’t know Bill Leak, Lou, so how could I label him as personally nasty? IMO many of his cartoons are, though, and there is a very wide circle that shares that view. Aside from his frequent calculated use of 1950s “Nigger Boy”-style racial stereotyping, an egregious recent example was his depiction of homosexuals as the very Nazis who made it their business to exterminate them. What was the brilliant, hilarious point he was making there?
But I agree with you about the lack of hidden meaning. Or any meaning at all:
https://twitter.com/bleakeksplayned
No fancy interpretation is required to realise that his main objective appears to be to seek attention by appealing to the prejudices of a very narrow but over-represented demographic: the old, angry white man. You’ll notice that for all his bravado, he never dares to offend against the sacred cows of that particular group.
Anyway, here is a simple explanation of the symbiotic relationship between Leak, The Australian, The Spectator, The Bolt Report, and the NewsCorp Awards. It sure sells:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/09/22/the-bill-leak-outrage-cycle/
Lou, I get around a lot. Some of my best friends are old, angry, white men. But outside that small but noisy circle, there are many that often find Leak’s cartoons nasty. The 50s “Nigger Boy”-style racial stereotypes, drawing homosexuals as the Nazis who tried to exterminate them, the list goes on.
But I agree with your point about the lack of hidden meaning. The word sledgehammer springs to mind:
https://twitter.com/bleakeksplayned
Sorry about repetitive replies, I thought the first one had disappeared.
Don’t assume your very wide circle has any relevance John.
It seems to me the Left really gets pissed off when the mirror gets held up in front of their latest indignation. As for the Crickey crap, I’m sure someone believes that nonsense.
Funny you should mention the “AWM” club. I went to a show last night put on by Max Gillies,,very entertaining and a rabid leftie you’d go to bed with. Guess who one of his best mates is? Yep, Bill Leak.
Go on, get outraged.
BTW, I’ve got a bit of colour, does that make me ABM? Stupid branding mate.
Hey, I won’t assume relevance if you don’t. Also, I’ll stop the branding if you do (“rabid Leftie” etc). Unlikely though, isn’t it?
I met Max Gillies 35 years ago and used to see a lot of his shows. He’s brilliant. He’s probably been mates with Leak since he was left-wing. I guess friendship is stronger than politics, which is lovely but I don’t see how that bears on my opinion of Leak’s work. It’s about the work, not who he hangs out with.
Have a read of this JOH, I think the author is very worthy of the description you mistakenly gave to Ms Abdel-Magied.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-sharia/news-story/9e6efee3160373ccf9cf4dda8c6daf33
You are providing a link to an admitted liar. Who got into Holland on false pretences and was proven to have lied.
So what, have you never told a lie Dismayed? She had very good reasons for her subterfuge, and was encouraged by the same type of dogooder we have in Australia to do so. . How about the asylum seekers that come to Australia with no documents? Do you think they might have told a few porkies?
She makes much more sense than the likes of a woman who says Islam is the most feminist of religions. As someone very familiar to you always says, move along. You got nothing in this case.
Mack you are very confused you say it is ok for the articles writer to lie to get into a country. she came from a comfortable middle class background. you then have a go at people without documents. w are they different to her? So the people who support your right wing views are ok but those that don’t support your views are not ok. Thank you for again showing us the hypocrisy of this whole deliberately Divisive Islamaphobia drive by sections of the media and right whingers.
Say something long enough and loud enough it become common knowledge.
I reckon many of the boat people who gained access to this country mishandled the truth.
Are you going to brand them liars and not believe anything else that they have to say.
Why don’t you admit that you do not like her message and are using the time honoured technique of trying to destroy her credibility via other means.
MtK,….these interpretations of Sharia Law are just that, interpretations. The woman who wrote that is just as entitled to give her views as Yassmin is, but it does not make either one more intelligent than the other. I have read other stuff by her and she also is not exactly someone that I would believe over other young activist Muslim women who have far more credibility.
I can link any story, written by any Muslim man or woman or any Christian man or woman to make my point, but I’m not going to change your mind, nor are you going to change mine. I can read the Bible and come out with a different interpretation than you would.
The day JTI wrote this article I showed it to a young modern Muslim woman sans hijab who agreed that no there is not a lot of humor in the Muslim religion, but there is a very funny Malaysian Muslim comedian who has moved to Canada and tells some great jokes against Islam. She even told me one.
What is sad for her though is that although she only wears the hijab to very special occasions, she is about to visit her mother with her young son in Germany for a month and has been told not to wear the hijab there and not to admit she is Muslim….she is thankful that her religion is not stated in her passport. I just wonder what the world is coming to when this is happening.
Sadly, Penny, we already know what the world is coming to. We can only do what we can to stop it getting there this time.
Well Jack, nothing you wrote isn’t funny or true or both, but why pick out Islam as uniquely zinger-phobic amongst the faiths? Aren’t there enough pitchforks assembled in that particular town square already? Gods know you’ve got the goons all afroth over the wall, not to mention some other dark corners of the internet, where you are currently mistaken for everyone’s new best friend.
IMO religion in general is just not a very amusing way of looking at the world. I’ve LOLd while reading the Bible a couple of times, but I don’t think I was supposed to: Jesus’ idea of “side-splitting” meant something else altogether. During my Catholic-school boyhood, every time I turned around there he was, in two- or three-dimensional form, looking through me with those more-in-sorow-than-in-anger cow-eyes of his, blood running down his face and from various holes, making me feel guilty for whatever it was I happened to be doing at the time. A million laffs, for sure.
Frankly I think the only reason the Christian church longer disembowels those who poke fun at them is that they can’t any more, what with all the secular democracy and everything. It’s not the religion that kills you, it the theocracy.
‘but why pick out Islam as uniquely zinger-phobic’…..why not? gotta start somewhere….episode1 in a series perchance?