We should be grateful to Labor, Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen for one thing at least. They have switched the Canberra vaudeville to off at least for a few days and taken the nation to a place where we can once again discuss the relative merits and deficits of government and opposition rather than standing aghast at the tawdry comings and goings in the nation’s capital.
Indeed, it was such an abrupt departure from the freak show that one cartoonist, musing on the difficulties of drawing a cartoon on the humour free zone of franking credits yesterday, took to social media to implore Barnaby Joyce to “do something.”
Let’s start with what Shorten’s announcement isn’t. It isn’t taxation reform in any substantial way. The Australian taxation system is and will continue to be unnecessarily complex and complicated, an ongoing garden party for accountants and lawyers but dismally incomprehensible to almost every other Australian.
A week or so ago I joked that Shorten’s media advisers should instruct him to have a long lie in, go into the office late, take the rest of the day off and continue to do so until the next election. Cynically, this is perhaps Shorten’s best pathway to the Lodge.
Before the last election, Labor determined to get a lot of policy into the public domain and while they fell short of forming government, the view is the party’s strategy was the right one. After the 2013 landslide win for the Coalition, Labor’s policy rollout in 2016 put them within one seat of forming minority government.
The Shorten tax proposal is more of the same with an eye to the next federal election.
As Adam Creighton observed in today’s Australian, “Australia’s tax system is shockingly tilted in favour of older, wealthier people, with little justification. Without a proper overhaul, in an era of stagnant wage growth and elevated house prices, that only fuels resentment.”
Labor’s proposals mine that resentment deep and hard. The government’s rhetoric then and now of a Shorten-Labor faux class war does not paint even half the picture. The old resentments between haves and have nots certainly exist and are palpable in the electorate but they find deeper expression across generational divides, among those who despair about housing affordability in the major capital cities with inflation stalking tepid wage growth.
Put succinctly, if by soulless marketing demographics, Shorten’s approach pits Baby Boomers v the rest — the Millennials, the Gen X-ers, the Gen Y-ers and whatever other absurd monikers the marketing folk attach to people these days. Whatever, the iron laws of arithmetic tell us there are more of them than there are of the boomers and in politics, that is enough to win elections.
The take home message is that Labor believes self-funded retirees do not as a rule vote Labor and the political consequences are likely to be minimal. Little downside, lots of upside is the prevailing view within the party at this point in the political cycle.
Labor’s proposal pushes the government further into a corner. Malcolm Turnbull knows he cannot get his company tax cuts through the Senate and has gone to a Plan B of personal income tax cuts but these will come at the expense of adding to the budget deficit and with it, the government’s claims of superior economic stewardship become sorely tested. Ongoing personal tax cuts of any impressive magnitude are almost impossible to fund without wholesale tax reform. The government will be left to tinker at the edges, leaving a benefit to average wage-earning folk of the packet of Chicken Twisties and can of diet Coke variety.
Bear in mind, the 2018-19 Budget will almost certainly be the Turnbull government’s last before the next election. A half Senate election is due no later than 19 May, 2019 (the Reps by 2 November, 2019) and one very much doubts the Turnbull government would create a circumstance where the punters would be obliged to trudge off to the polls twice in one year. Just as likely is a federal election in the latter part of this year.
To paraphrase Black Adder, Bill Shorten has “a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel.” And without wanting to press the Vaudeville activation button, that weasel is Chris Bowen. Bowen is cast from the NSW right, an economic policy wonk and Keating acolyte. While he is invariably across his brief, it is his skills as a salesman that often fall short.
The reforms-that-aren’t approach is bold, and boldness or courage is not always rewarded in politics as it often veers into callow stupidity when the numbers are scrutinised and fall short or the government of the day spends each and every day picking the policy off to the point where an opposition is left befuddled and paralysed with embarrassment.
But if Chris Bowen can pull it off, Labor has just taken a step closer to forming the next government.
That was a close call Jack, when I read the headline I thought you had gone dyslexic.
More seriously, given I spent 33 years in the industry, let me make a few observations. Far from being the class war rhetoric of Shorten, this is no tax rort. When Howard and Costello introduced the rebate structure in 1999, Labor were all over it as their own policy. How can you agree to double tax some shareholders and not others? Dividend imputation is a fundamental element of Australia’s financial markets.
As for the self funded retiree bashing, there’s a whole lot of people in industry and retail funds, and government defined benefit funds for that matter in the same boat. With the notable exception of the public servants, all paid 15% tax on contributions into their Super, 15% on earnings in the fund, and until Costello fixed things they also paid 15% on benefits. Adam Creighton is plain wrong in his arguments.
This seems to tie in with the baby boomer bashing of late. As a generation, they/we paid more than our fair share of direct taxation, in many cases around 50% on earnings. This was over and above the Super taxes. Before the Keating reforms tax was payable on 5% of Super benefit payments, i.e. just 5% of benefits were taxable.
Labor and Shorten aren’t mining resentment, they are creating it. Pitting one generation against another is not only pathetic and futile, but destined to end in tears all round. The biggest lie has to be saying they will raise $59 billion over 10 years,, but it is not a tax increase.
Same thought crossed my mind Lou – then I upbraided myself -“Get your mind out of the gutter, Boa”
Self interest being put ahead of the National interest. this is a tax rort. No Debate required. It is clear as day for those not blinded by pure greedy self interest. Why should people receive a bonus payment for not paying any tax? People will not pay more tax, they still get credit for franked shares. They just wont get a bonus payment at the taxpayers expense. Sheesh. “Fair go mate.” Ever heard that line in all your years or was it drowned out by al the commissions.
https://www.theage.com.au/money/super-and-retirement/labor-s-hit-on-share-dividends-meets-fairness-test-20180315-p4z4kp.html
Dismayed, does the lone ‘s’ in that link go backwards or forwards?:
‘labor-s-hit-on-share-dividends”
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk! Love it TV. Never picked that up.
You’ve been in Canberra too long.
Well spotted TV.
DWIGHT:-“These people have been struggling to fund their pensions given low interest rates and normally have well under $1.6 million in superannuation”.
You are barking mad! With this amount of money at hand why should such a person get ANYTHING from ANY government!! The idea of super is that you pay your own way-not hoard it to leave to the brats.
Bass, read Gottlieb’s analysis again without the class warfare. The big hit will be to the lower earners, not the high income folks as Shorten claims.
Nowhere near the big hit of Abbott’s 2016 deeming changes that hit me 30bucks a week and 370,000 others!
With $500,000 in assets besides the family home people still receive the full pension. Plus all the extended concessions. Goodness forbid, they might have to draw on that capital?
Live off the full pension Dismayed ?- approx. $24,000 pa I think. Bloody hard I should imagine for those who do not own a home. They would definitely be drawing on their capital.
BODHISATTVA:- I do and manage well with 2 young kids on the pension. It only works if U own your own pad. If I didn’t I would be cactus.
Exactly Bassy. Well done you! Sadly there are many pensioners who rely on welfare housing or rentals. God knows how they survive
Do you get more than the pension, Bassman? With young kids I’m guessing you’d also be getting the kids allowance and/or family tax a/b? If so that could be decent coin.
ps decent snow in the stoke/everton game
Yes I get aged pension plus family benefit for kids…as I said we are quite comfortable mainly coz we own our own pad…no extravagant outings tho
for idle interest
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYRVUFiX0AAgJFN.jpg:large
I’m rooting for the hagfish to hang in there. Ain’t too many of dem echinoderms left.
“That’s because the “age of entitlement” isn’t over – the age of entitlement is 60-plus”
“It has been continually distorted and stretched, with retirees structuring their entire superannuation around how to get the biggest welfare payments.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/the-tax-rort-that-should-be-long-gone/news-story/a92b59b5ea2ff3dee2bbc436b5b5c02a
One would think, Dismayed, that they would be keen to keep people off govt. pensions and part pensions. If they keep changing the rules they are going to have more takers. Why try and provide for one’s self-funded retirement when they keep changing the rules?
Ill be doing the self funded thing coz xxxx centrelink, but outside of super coz xxxx super industry spivs
victim mentality Yvonne.
According to leading economist it would between $250 million and $500 million per year to top up the lowest income earners after removing the double dipping imputation rort. that is small change compared to the $6 to $8 Billion per year it would save.
hey we got a new C in C progtard. …sorry betty
https://www.smh.com.au/national/there-s-a-case-for-immigration-and-it-s-not-about-us-20180314-p4z4bk.html
Jack, spot on, this is an interesting issue and tricky to know exactly how it will play out, and where the pundits and public will line up on it.
By way of example I had a quick glance at Mike Carlton’s twitter and he seems opposed to the ABC Fairfax consensus.
In the Aus a quick read of Janet Albrectsen and Adam Creighton and you can see some quite different interests and interpretations.
This may well put some real difficulties and imbalances on the table for scrutiny.
no bad thing.
Worst thing Labor can do is panic and Bill looks like he could press the button at any moment. On my reading it seems the economists are for it, the political commentators not so much. Fairfax lost all credibility with their commentary. One of the op-eds I read looked like someone had vomited up a Liberal Party press release.
What about JohnHoward’s Never Ever about introducing a GST? Would you actually trust a politicians promise?
Short answer, UQ – NO! Does anyone?
Core and non core promises? WTF? Teflon Jonny worst treasurer in Australia’s history closely followed by hillsong morrison and hockey. No surprises.
John Kerin?
caught in the Hawke Keating crossfire.
No excuses.
Didn’t know that one could get a spinal transplant so the odds are that Shorten will cave in.
If not, the Libs will get a bucket load of election contributions before the next election. It would be an excellent return on investment.,
Suddenly Turnbull looks real good in my eyes.
Shorten will cave in as soon as he thinks The Lodge may escape him. And if it looks like he can get The Lodge back with the policy he will be back championing it again.
I think it was Lou who said ”changes direction so many times we need a GPS tracker”
There’s no doubt Bill’s pulled a cunning stunt, though to many he’s really just a stunning……..
Nothing stunning about him, Razor!
swwitttt straight over the top of Yvonne. No surprises.
Oh Boadicea, think harder…..Razor’s making a rude joke. 😨
I know that perfectly well Bella. I just mentioned that Bill is not stunning although he may well be a count minus the zero.
I say Bella, thinking “harder” in the context of the subject at hand may be a bit risque don’t you think?
Reverse the first letters Boa 🙂
Or maybe Boa thinks Shorten is the latter but not the former.?!
Good heavens guys. It didn’t escape me. As i say further up. I had to get my mind out of the gutter with Jack’s headline. But happy then to climb back into the gutter Didnt come down with the last shower of rain 🤣
Well it does rain everyday in Tasmania so that is not saying a lot.
we have had the most beautiful Summer. Not enough rain. Just goes to show how much you know about Tasmania.
In fact, Hobart is the second driest capital in Australia after Adelaide.
70KNOT gusts last night – never mind the smoke from burnoffs, the whole island nearly blew to NZ – and some welcome rain.
Considering it rains on average over 235 days per year in some places in Tasmania so maybe not everyday but more often than not.
Razor, I take it you’re suggesting Bill may be gender fluid?
I think Dwight was going along those lines in a recent comment!
Its interesting, Mr Insider, why Bill Shorten announces his Super money grab 2 days out from the South Australian State Election and the Batman By Election in Melbourne. Maybe he wants a “test” to see what sort of reaction the Public has? I haven’t followed the SA Election so not sure who is likely to win there but am tipping a win for Ced Kearney for Labor in Batman.
Next Newspoll will tell-if Malcolm does not get a leg up after this he REALLY is toast!
The libs will pick up 2 points from this, by the time the next election comes around and labor have announced further sweeteners for the poor old pensioners labor the libs will have further imploded.
Or go DOWN 2 points if the yunguns get to vote…they are sick of subsidising oldies with their penalty rates
Penny, I saw your (Mar 15, 12.11pm) comment in the previous thread re Labor’s latest policy to hijack pensioner’s incomes.
Chronologically, you appear to be saying that while Labor has “a good strategy” and the Liberals are being “hysterical”, you will be “affected” however, your financial advisor says you “wont be affected” but you’re “not trusting Canberra” anyway. Now I know I’m just a poor old pensioner pig lover Penny, but this time you’ve got me totally confused.
What the hell am I going to do with my Telstra shares? 😉
Dunno Carl….
I finally sold mine last month Carl. Reduced dividends, possible NBN woes – sick of the roller coaster ride.
Governments of all persuasions need to stop tinkering with Super. I actually think the idea of getting, what is essentially, a tax refund when you aren’t paying any tax is outrageous. The downside is by mucking around in the super sandpit they interfere with peoples retirement plans retrospectively.
I will be a self funded retiree but god knows what the rules will be then. How does one plan? The problem was always going to be that as super funds grew governments were always going to see them as pots of money and as we all know they just can’t keep their hands off big pots of money especially when its not their’s.
RAZOR:-Governments of all persuasions need to stop tinkering with Super.
Totally correct. How can one plan with no certainty, always looking over your shoulder?
I agree, Razor, that retirees shouldn’t be hit retrospectively with changes that adversely affect them.